Hi Grace -
I enjoyed the interview - only got to listen to 16 minutes of it - due to my slow upload. But it was good.
Keep the faith - Freedom is wonderful - huh?
Jeff
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well why dont you tell me where I screwed up????
by mouthy into listen to mouthy's interview just click here and download it!
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thanks go to nathan natas for providing the audio recording!
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well why dont you tell me where I screwed up????
by mouthy into listen to mouthy's interview just click here and download it!
(33.2 mb) .
thanks go to nathan natas for providing the audio recording!
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AK - Jeff
Grace -
Glad you got to do the interview - but my old dial up is taking forever to load/buffer it.
I look forward to hearing it in few minutes.
Jeff
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WT Rule: Disfellowshipped Should Shun One Another!
by Swan inanybody remember this?
two people who are disfellowshipped can't talk to one another and can't even carpool to the meeting.
i seem to remember this vaguely mentioned in a previous thread.
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When my daughter [then 15] was DF'd they told her she should not make 'worldly friends' if she wanted to get reinstated - I suppose that would have included DF'd ones too!
I asked them how the hell I was supposed to support that sort of stupid reasoning? How can they expect a teenager to have no social life at all? Idiots!
Just my opinion
Jeff
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Am I a bad person to ask Why?
by rockhound inin the light of thinking that i am a person of reason, having a measure of good sense, and not wanting to go against the flow of the main stream, i now look back and wonder "why did it take me 40 years to wake up and smell the roses" about the organization?
when the big fiasco, and i mean big fiasco, of 1975 came and went, didn't i know down deep that i had been chasing "parked cars" spiritually?
with my spiritual nose bleeding i just hung in there with the rest and didn't make a fuss.
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I find it amazing that one who spent fourty years going door to door let something so trivial as the 1975 thing break your faith. Let's be honest for a moment, certainly you must of had issues prior to the 1975 failure? Could it really have just been a nail in the coffin so to speak? I question this because the 1975 thing was not that big a deal, well anymore than 1925, 1918, 1916 and 1914 had been. I'm sure you knew about those dates too during 40 years of service? Yes the Society played a part (a BIG ONE) in 75 but what is the big deal about it? They said PERHAPS-MIGHT-MAYBE but NEVER said for "certain" that it would see an end to the work. They published silly things about others selling thier homes and the like
FDS - I did not read the entire thread - your comments made me so sick with anger! How dare you make such a statement? I too - swallowed hook line and sinker - for well over 40 years.
No. Most of us had no idea that 1925, 1918, 1914 were equally as wrong! The organization has spent decades covering those issues over! Obviously YOU did not live thru the 1975 Fiasco! I did! And it was more than some mere speculation going on - as anyone who wants to investigate it knows.
I am sure there are plenty of posters who will give you the real facts and quotes here - I am too sickened by your presumptuousness to do so - but I have a looseleaf notebook with hundreds of pages of misleading lies and doctrines. I came to know of these things much later. As did most!!
Jeff
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I was called by a JW wanting a favor...
by Dawn inyep - you read that right.. i had a message on my answering machine - a jw i used to know long ago, left a message, wanting me to help out with some legal matters (i have worked for the criminal justice system for about 15 yrs now).. my husband just about had a cow - here's someone who wouldn't talk to me at the grocery store, but has no problem talking to me if they need something?
i thought to myself, could this person really be that nieve about human social situations - ie: if you're going to be mean to someone, don't expect a favor from them .
ok ok, i know - i should show more christian attitude, turn the other cheek, and call this person back.
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Dawn -
I think you took the high Moral ground by not returning the call.... I prob would have called and spewed what was on my mind -
jeff
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When is the "Memorial" this year? Will you attend? >>>>>>
by WingCommander inlong time, no post.
:) i was just curious when the memorial was this year?
is it at the end of march, at full moon, right?
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whyamihere -
I struggled big time with this issue. Wifey and I have been out for a little longer than you - but not much. I would feel obligated to partake if I went again. My notion of the reason for the Lord's Supper has changed due to the un-indoctrination process that I think is starting to really help me see clearly nowadays.
It may be too soon for you not to go - or maybe you will go for years to the Memorial - your choice. It is hard to get to the point where you stay home with the mind-fog that has been driven in so deeply.
My struggle is with finding an alternative - I don't trust religion anymore at all - but I feel some sort of need to 'commune'. Being out of the organization, and having been in almost all my 50 years, I have no friends outside or inside at the moment. [Persons on this board excepted]
Tough calls once we leave, huh? I won't be going.
Jeff
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Leading double life
by JustTickledPink ini ran into a young jw i hadn't seen in probably 12 years, anyways, she was the presiding overseer's daughter, perfect little jw... she's now 25 yoa, she is still an active witness and in fact a sympathizer to their crap but dressed in a low cut top, belly showing, carrying a beer, trolling for guys out a hot spot on a friday night with a "worldly" friend.. she talked to me for 5 mins and told me she had been df'd for a year but how horrible it was, she is reinstated and doing good..... but everything about her looks said she wasn't a good little jw.. i think more and more hypocrites are being raised in the organization.
i wouldn't be able to stand leading a double life, i would much rather be honest and not hiding who and what i am... but there are more young jws, including ones i would never suspect, that are jws by day, and regular people at night.
i think they are falling into the "sunday morning christians" mentality and carrying tons of guilt around with them.. i just wish they would wake up.
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Leading a double life sounds like alot more fun that being disf! Have your cake and eat it too. I also have a grandpa, in his 90's. I'm afraid I wont be able to go to his funeral. I guess I still could, but no-one would talk to me. I dont know, are you allowed to do that?
cindykp - You are allowed to do whatever you allow yourself to do in this matter. Go to Granddads funeral if that happens - don't allow the mind-warp mentallity of this cult hold you captive any longer. They are putting you out - right or wrong - but they cannot disallow you from attending any public events like a funeral - the possible exception might be if it is held at the KH. But they can make your life difficult that is no doubt. Plan A - after df'ing announcement, get busy looking the part to get reinstated. Then right after drop completley out of sight as far as the cong is concerned - move, change number, and avoid meetings. As far as they know - you are a witness - and you get to have your family in your life to some [guarded]extent at least. Not a perfect plan. They made the rules - who can blame you for living by them? Just My Opinion Jeff [or the let's get creative with the rules class, if needed]
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Supposing The WT DOES Monitor This Site..
by Englishman inhow can those doing the monitoring not be affected by what they read here?.
how can anyone not be affected by the paedophilia scandal, the un scandal, the 1975 debacle?.
how do they find someone to read here and still stay a jw?.
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Certainly they monitor this site.
Here's a thought - since this site is always out ahead of the congregations on new releases, BOE letters, changing doctrine, ect.... Do you think the organization has ever considered changing the release dates, or doctrine, just to spit in the face of these unrepentant apostates here? To try and get one step ahead for once?
Jeff
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Supposing The WT DOES Monitor This Site..
by Englishman inhow can those doing the monitoring not be affected by what they read here?.
how can anyone not be affected by the paedophilia scandal, the un scandal, the 1975 debacle?.
how do they find someone to read here and still stay a jw?.
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A guy that sat at my table that was in the Service Department said, "I don't even have to seek out pornography - I get enough of it in the mail from the congregations in the United States."
....meaning that the accounts coming in from the congregations would blow your mind.
Neo - I think he meant the accounts about immorality in the congregations - the record that goes to the service dept on DF'g cases. Is that right ithinkisee?
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The New Evidence that Demands a Verdict by Josh McDowell
Honesty - Is this a book or article or what? Where can we find it? Thanx Jeff